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Post by brandonk on Oct 27, 2014 17:39:56 GMT -8
Hey guy, need some help & want to know what average egts you are running with your 6.0L. I am thinking of booking a diagnostic at Bernhausen Diesel this week, but thought i'd try the new forum first.
Truck Info:
EGR delete(stock cooler welded closed to appear stock), arp studs & new gaskets, new OEM oil cooler, new FICM, rebuilt turbo, cold air intake, 4 inch exhaust, no cat, magnaflow muffler.
Programmer: H&S Mini Max
Problems/ Concerns:
Programmer set on mild, lowest of the 3 tunes (40hp) and my egts at cruising are about 650-750 *F. Going up 200th street hill at home-depot i'm reaching 900 + *F. This is all with no load average driving to maintain speeds around 70-80 kms. WOT the truck lasts 3-4 seconds before temps hit 1350 and my defuel setting kicks in. Wild (80hp) Hot (120hp) tunes are useless as the truck just gets to hot to quick. There is hardly a puff of smoke that comes out the tail pipe so it appears to be burning quite efficiently, my grandmas farts leave more of a haze.
There doesn't appear to be any crack or leaks in the boots/ plumbing, or any exhaust leaks. No CEL codes. Truck runs lot a top otherwise, starts quick. I regularly use diesel fuel additive.
Passing up hills I have to set the truck to stock to keep from hitting defuel.
Any insight or advise to the possible problem would be greatly appreciated. I think my best bet is to get a diagnostic and go from there.
"Ford, because there a V-8, times almost everything by 2, including the price...."
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Post by Looney tune on Oct 27, 2014 17:54:39 GMT -8
i havnt ever had this problem and ive got blown head gaskets! high egts are usually caused by either too lean or too rich.
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Post by gwiseman on Oct 27, 2014 20:20:52 GMT -8
By the looks of it you've done pretty much everything I've done to mine except a couple things. You should just try swapping tuners and see what happens. It might just be the tunes your running.
I was having the same problem last year with my 04. But once I did the egr delete, rebuilt the turbo, installed a BD intercooler and intake elbow with piping also added the SCT live wire TS with custom tunes, after all that was done my problems went away. Before all this I wouldn't even be able to pull the coq without high egts and down to 70km. Now I can pull the cow at 125 on cruise without breaking 950.
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Post by brandonk on Oct 27, 2014 22:03:56 GMT -8
Yeah, I heard that maybe swapping to SCT might make a difference. Heard that's a nice programmer as well, however, the H&S wasn't cheap and I really like the on the fly features & monitoring. It would be nice to test and compare the two. Toss ups
Thanks for the info thus far, I will have to look into that. What did the SCT live wire TS cost you?
Maybe an interesting question to ask is who is running H&S and who is running SCT?
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Post by gwiseman on Oct 27, 2014 23:03:45 GMT -8
You get all the gauges you could ask for on the Sct. I bought mine from bc diesel. I think it was around 575. Dave will probably give you his 3 tunes that hehas kind of made. I ran his for a while but I recently switched to innovative diesels tunes and its a big difference. If I still had mine I would probably be willing to let you try it out. But it was stolen with my truck. Hopefully I will have everything back to normal soon
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Post by blackoutdiesel on Oct 28, 2014 8:29:11 GMT -8
how much boost are you making at WOT and when your egt's start getting too high?
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Post by carter Ens on Oct 28, 2014 10:36:36 GMT -8
Yea also how many niggawatts your running to your cpu?
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Post by the73guy on Oct 28, 2014 16:45:44 GMT -8
Couple things:
1- shift on the fly is a sure fire way to right fuck your 5r100 transmission. Pick a setting and leave it there.
2- 900* EGT isn't hot
3- to get to 1300* are you letting it stay in od? These v8s like to rev and I'd bet that if you gear down and let the rpms go up to 3000 or so that the egt issue will go away.
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Post by brandonk on Oct 28, 2014 18:15:56 GMT -8
I just finished a test on the way home, here were my findings. I got videos also but not sure how to post yet.
With the H&S programmer on stock mode:
Cruising flat @ 70 km/h 4-6 PSI, 635-685. (Normal driving with partial throttle to stay at speed)
Minor increase to in slop 7-10 PSI 750-900. (Normal driving with partial throttle to stay at speed)
WOT from 70-110 I'm over 1000 @ 16 psi, 1150-1200 continuous @ 20 psi. Flat ish road 16th ave.
Mild Tune Setting (40hp), this is from reviewing my video
Cruising is pretty well the same not much fluctuates here.
From Cruising 70 km/h, 2psi, temps 550, I then give in full throttle
(WOT the truck, truck down shifts, psi climbs to 13, temp reading 610, then temps 828. Next reading is 19 psi with 994.) All in the down shifted gear. Rpms pulled 3000-3800 ish.
Shifts
(Now the truck shifts to the next gear, psi 20, temps 1150, then 21 psi, 1226, then 1298.)
Shifts
(Now the truck shifts again, just as it engages fully temp reads 1351, psi 21, programmer beeps and defuels.)
This all took place in about 6-7 seconds from the video. From 70 km-105 then the truck taps out. Again this is only on the 40 hp tune :$.
My numbers are rounded so they may be slightly off but they are pretty close.
WOT @ Stock , Max boost = 20 psi
WOT @ 40hp tune, Max boost averaged 22 psi with 24 psi peak.
No I am not letting it stay in OD, its revving 3-3500 rpms and temps climb quick. From a cruise at 650 * to booting it she is up over 1000 in about 2 seconds.
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Post by pigpen on Oct 28, 2014 21:40:55 GMT -8
Ok so the H&S tuner can be causing this, the 6.0 needs custom tunes in order to operate correctly. The VGT needs a ton of input, ie to build boost etc. I run Matts SRL+ and I can hit 1400 EGT in no time, which is normal with stock turbo. The 6.0 injectors can actually pump a ton of fuel for how big the turbo is. Also check your EBP and ICP sensor inputs repostes from bccr Facebook page post by Jeff Patterson
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Post by blackoutdiesel on Oct 29, 2014 9:13:46 GMT -8
Ok so the H&S tuner can be causing this, the 6.0 needs custom tunes in order to operate correctly. The VGT needs a ton of input, ie to build boost etc. I run Matts SRL+ and I can hit 1400 EGT in no time, which is normal with stock turbo. The 6.0 injectors can actually pump a ton of fuel for how big the turbo is. Also check your EBP and ICP sensor inputs repostes from bccr Facebook page post by Jeff Patterson pigen is right. you are not putting out enough boost. i use to run innovative tunes on my 6.0. i would hit 30-35 lbs boost with stock turbo and egt's only hit 1400 when i was in od and kept my foot in it. first i would make 100% sure you dont have a leak or a sticky turbo. stock 6.0 should boost 26lbs at WOT. if everything is ok, i would be looking into the tuning. |
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Post by Looney tune on Oct 29, 2014 13:33:43 GMT -8
Ok so the H&S tuner can be causing this, the 6.0 needs custom tunes in order to operate correctly. The VGT needs a ton of input, ie to build boost etc. I run Matts SRL+ and I can hit 1400 EGT in no time, which is normal with stock turbo. The 6.0 injectors can actually pump a ton of fuel for how big the turbo is. Also check your EBP and ICP sensor inputs repostes from bccr Facebook page post by Jeff Patterson pigen is right. you are not putting out enough boost. i use to run innovative tunes on my 6.0. i would hit 30-35 lbs boost with stock turbo and egt's only hit 1400 when i was in od and kept my foot in it. first i would make 100% sure you dont have a leak or a sticky turbo. stock 6.0 should boost 26lbs at WOT. if everything is ok, i would be looking into the tuning. i agree, i push out 33 psi with custom tunes the h&s is just fueling too hard and not controlling the vgt cycle. |
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Post by deanson on Oct 29, 2014 20:33:52 GMT -8
Defiantly not enough boost, any inter cooler leaks?
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Post by gwiseman on Oct 30, 2014 0:14:13 GMT -8
Totally agree with the lack of boost. You need to try something different too see what happens. Double check for air leaks. I hit 26-28 non studded
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Post by blackoutdiesel on Oct 30, 2014 8:36:03 GMT -8
pigen is right. you are not putting out enough boost. i use to run innovative tunes on my 6.0. i would hit 30-35 lbs boost with stock turbo and egt's only hit 1400 when i was in od and kept my foot in it. first i would make 100% sure you dont have a leak or a sticky turbo. stock 6.0 should boost 26lbs at WOT. if everything is ok, i would be looking into the tuning. i agree, i push out 33 psi with custom tunes the h&s is just fueling too hard and not controlling the vgt cycle. if it was the tuning on the H&S, then every 6.0l running this tuner would have this problem. i would be looking more at base truck concerns before blaming the tuner. |
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